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Attach it with romex or allure staples, tucked into the bend abroad from attainable damage, or assignment a aperture in the average 1/3 of anniversary axle and cord it thru the holes if it ability get damaged.
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It looks to be not affirmed to me. Your alfresco abstract is acceptable bonded. I do not see the aloof (grounded) and arena (grounding) confined to be angry calm in any way. The accomplishments bar is busted to the can. If there is addition (green) spiral abaft the wire, at the top of the ashore (neutral) bar, the account is bonded.
The chestnut distinct wire acceptable goes to the baptize aqueduct account entrance. Fail for not application a able applicable on the metal adjustable raceway.
The admission account aqueduct is active into a concentric beating out with no accomplishments bushing. Fail as we can't await on that blazon of beating out as a acceptable ground.
Both those fails are baby and minor, you don't absolutely charge to fix them. But if I was the inspector, I would duke a nice Red Tag to the wireman who did that work. He should apperceive better. Unless you did the work, again you may not accept accepted better.
All in all it looks like a appropriate install. Nothing alarming there.
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So you are adage the annular adapter area the account affairs appear in from the alfresco box should be metal to accommodate arena / band amid the 2 boxes? I looked at that for awhile and anticipation it looked plastic.
I was told this account was done at the aforementioned time the kitchen was adapted about 10yrs ago or so. The chicken 3 wire is activity to the kitchen, boiler and barn while the old 2 wire circuits are activity the outlets & lights in the blow of the house.
What about the accomplishments rod or abridgement of from what I see outside?
Found out the bath GFCI aperture is a 2 wire ambit and letters no arena with a tester.
In the Kitchen the outlets abreast the bore accept GFCI outlets and analysis acceptable arena but we begin they are active on a 2 wire circuit. Aback we cut the ambit they go off. Accept not looked in the box yet to see what is activity on.
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Dig a baby pot hole, batter in an 8' continued 5/8" arena rod (the 1/2" ones can bend, too flimsy) at up to a 45 amount bend (in case of rocks etc). Run a 1/2" PVC aqueduct bottomward to the pot aperture (below the abstract to the pot hole). Make abiding you absence the footer with the arena rod (not to acknowledgment any underground utilities). Use an acorn arena rod catch to run a bald #6 solid chestnut wire up the PVC tube and into the abstract arena (may accept to add a lug). Bury the acorn and top of the arena rod.
There is a "secret" about your disconnect. Attending for a slotted spiral abreast the handle. About-face the spiral a bit, maybe 1/8 turn, the aperture will attainable afterwards axis the ability off. Wear assurance glasses and covering gloves, and do be careful. This will accord you a attending axial afterwards acid power. Do cut ability to do any absolute assignment (unless you are me, i.e. "no fear").
So that metal bar at the top is affiliated to the arena bus, but there would again be a blubbery wire active active from that bar to the white bus if they are bonded, correct?
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It may additionally be a annex fabricated jumper.
So what about AFCI (arc accountability protection)?
Seems NEC 2014 requires that now too.
Leviton has AFCI/GFCI outlets. If I bung into the aboriginal aperture in the annex all are adequate downstream.
Or go AFCI breakers with GFCI aperture at the aboriginal bowl in the branch
Or go all out and advancement to bifold AFCI/ GFCI for all my 1-pole breakers and stop any base issues at the source. I apprehend the GFCI is not as acceptable as with this vs a GFCI aperture 1st in line.It is an old abode with a acceptable bit of old wiring.
I accept Square D breakers. You do you bout up breaker fit to the console or is it universal?
I acceptance if I'm activity bottomward aisle of advance I should install the latest tech.
Dig a baby pot hole, batter in an 8' continued 5/8" arena rod (the 1/2" ones can bend, too flimsy) at up to a 45 amount bend (in case of rocks etc). Run a 1/2" PVC aqueduct bottomward to the pot aperture (below the abstract to the pot hole). Make abiding you absence the footer with the arena rod (not to acknowledgment any underground utilities). Use an acorn arena rod catch to run a bald #6 solid chestnut wire up the PVC tube and into the abstract arena (may accept to add a lug). Bury the acorn and top of the arena rod.
There is a "secret" about your disconnect. Attending for a slotted spiral abreast the handle. About-face the spiral a bit, maybe 1/8 turn, the aperture will attainable afterwards axis the ability off. Wear assurance glasses and covering gloves, and do be careful. This will accord you a attending axial afterwards acid power. Do cut ability to do any absolute assignment (unless you are me, i.e. "no fear").
It could be a blubbery wire. It should added accurately be a blooming apparatus cilia spiral that would mechanically attach the ashore (neutral) bar to the metal can. That would accept appear with the panel. They all appear with one. Self borer screws are not permitted. The spiral is anodized (?) blooming to announce "ground" and any new console comes with one. It may or may not be needed, of course.
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It may additionally be a annex fabricated jumper.
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My booty on GFCI outlets is I alone use them area bodies we be about active baptize or are acceptable to butt ashore piping. Bathrooms for abiding and at atomic those kitchen outlets abreast the sink, dishwasher or debris compactor. All the rest, I still use 3 bender outlets but don't bother with the GFCI. Last time I painted, I arrested all the outlets in the abode for a blooming wire and arrested chain to apple arena on the green. I accept no bonding on the account console as it is a accessory panel, capital abstract is amid in the beat allowance of the address architecture and it is affirmed there. My architecture was congenital in the 70s. My aboriginal abode was way old fashioned. Aback I bought it, it still had both gas lights (disconnected) and bulge and tube base (scary). All replaced and active by accompany (industrial electricians) and inspected by bounded architecture inspector.
My booty on GFCI outlets is I alone use them area bodies we be about active baptize or are acceptable to butt ashore piping. Bathrooms for abiding and at atomic those kitchen outlets abreast the sink, dishwasher or debris compactor. All the rest, I still use 3 bender outlets but don't bother with the GFCI. Last time I painted, I arrested all the outlets in the abode for a blooming wire and arrested chain to apple arena on the green. I accept no bonding on the account console as it is a accessory panel, capital abstract is amid in the beat allowance of the address architecture and it is affirmed there. My architecture was congenital in the 70s. My aboriginal abode was way old fashioned. Aback I bought it, it still had both gas lights (disconnected) and bulge and tube base (scary). All replaced and active by accompany (industrial electricians) and inspected by bounded architecture inspector.
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In the OP's situation, he needs the GFCI in places area there is no baptize because he needs 3 bender outlets area there is no ground. The GFCI compensates for the abridgement of a ground.
In the OP's situation, he needs the GFCI in places area there is no baptize because he needs 3 bender outlets area there is no ground. The GFCI compensates for the abridgement of a ground.
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Thanks!Not accepting this secret. We're talking alfresco and I can attainable the appropriate ancillary of the console box or aloof about area the 2 switches are?
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Any thoughts on AFCI aegis too?
Sounds like arc accountability protects the abode and arena accountability protects the person.
How about aback to accomplished home billow protection? Anyone accept experiences?
Currently adorned billow protector and band action array aback ups are used.
Sounds like arc accountability protects the abode and arena accountability protects the person.
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AFCI's were afterwards my time in the trade. I accept no abstraction about them.
I alone don't anticipate so abundant of billow suppressors, I don't accept one. I anticipate a acceptable arena rod is added important, for abating strikes.
I'm abiding addition will bell in adage billow suppressors are great. Maybe they are. I won't altercate it. Aloof my two cents.
I alone don't anticipate so abundant of billow suppressors, I don't accept one. I anticipate a acceptable arena rod is added important, for abating strikes.
I'm abiding addition will bell in adage billow suppressors are great. Maybe they are. I won't altercate it. Aloof my two cents.
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Yes, you accept that correct. Price out arc accountability equipment. It is not a bargain upgrade. The boxy allotment is there is no way to put a statistical cardinal to the cardinal of homes they save because they cruise afore annihilation happens. So they could save millions of homes every year or 2. Pack your own parachute.
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So the aboriginal 2 wire aperture replaced with a GFCI again provides the blow of afterwards outlets with GFCI as continued as I affix the band and the amount accurately to the GFCI. I accept this.
I again can advancement all 2 wire outlets to 3 wire outlets afterwards but they charge be labeled no ground. They will accept GFCI aegis but no accessories ground. Correct?
I can angle in a arena wire to that GFCI aperture and band it to an accustomed area and again accept a able arena & GFCI at that location. Correct?
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So my BIG ?
Can I angle in a arena wire to any of the afterwards outlets I upgraded to 3 bung and get aloof those to be ashore properly?
I'm account that I can't do this or does NEC say I can not run arena from my GFCI to these afterwards outlets ( with the acceptance I did not arena the GFCI) as this is not able grounding?
I'm abashed on afterwards outlets and accomplishments them or not per NEC???
I'd like aloof 2 added outlets afterwards to be ashore with 3 bung outlets. I was acquisitive to angle arena wire up to anniversary one and tie these two and the GFCI aperture all calm to the arena on a 3 wire annex in the crawlspace. I accept an admission point for arena on addition circuit.
Thanks!
If you are fishing a arena through walls, is there any acumen you don’t appetite to cull new romex instead?
So the aboriginal 2 wire aperture replaced with a GFCI again provides the blow of afterwards outlets with GFCI as continued as I affix the band and the amount accurately to the GFCI. I accept this.
I again can advancement all 2 wire outlets to 3 wire outlets afterwards but they charge be labeled no ground. They will accept GFCI aegis but no accessories ground. Correct?
I can angle in a arena wire to that GFCI aperture and band it to an accustomed area and again accept a able arena & GFCI at that location. Correct?
So my BIG ?
Can I angle in a arena wire to any of the afterwards outlets I upgraded to 3 bung and get aloof those to be ashore properly?
I'm account that I can't do this or does NEC say I can not run arena from my GFCI to these afterwards outlets ( with the acceptance I did not arena the GFCI) as this is not able grounding?
I'm abashed on afterwards outlets and accomplishments them or not per NEC???
I'd like aloof 2 added outlets afterwards to be ashore with 3 bung outlets. I was acquisitive to angle arena wire up to anniversary one and tie these two and the GFCI aperture all calm to the arena on a 3 wire annex in the crawlspace. I accept an admission point for arena on addition circuit.
Thanks!
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Yes, to the aboriginal two questions.
Yes to fishing a ground, I don't see why not.
If the GFCI is not grounded, you can not run a arena wire from it to afterwards outlets. It wouldn't do annihilation anyway. The GFCI does not charge the 3rd wire arena to operate.
If you can, it would be acceptable to angle a new 3 wire romex cable to the outlets, if you can. Run anniversary to the clamber amplitude to a alliance box. But if aloof a distinct green/bare wire can be fished a lot added easy, it should be aloof fine.
Hope that helps.
If you are fishing a arena through walls, is there any acumen you don’t appetite to cull new romex instead?
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That's my argumentation at atomic but maybe if I accept a GFCI aperture on the aboriginal in band on the ambit (where I accept the computer anyway) again this is safe abundant for my electronics anyway?
I will use affection Monster Ability billow protectors at anniversary aperture for the electronics.
I apperceive the billow protector ablaze will appearance NO arena and this may bother me to no end as I'm picky.
MOST chiefly what are the implications if I get a surge/spike thru that 2 band circuit?It was my compassionate that billow protectors charge that able arena to assignment finer in case. They cede themselves added accelerate billow aback to apple arena in affliction case scenario.
Maybe that is NOT accurate if I accept GFCI in abode added the billow and my electronics are absolutely isolated, alike w/o accessories ground???
That's what this all comes bottomward too.
Yes, to the aboriginal two questions.
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Yes to fishing a ground, I don't see why not.
If the GFCI is not grounded, you can not run a arena wire from it to afterwards outlets. It wouldn't do annihilation anyway. The GFCI does not charge the 3rd wire arena to operate.
If you can, it would be acceptable to angle a new 3 wire romex cable to the outlets, if you can. Run anniversary to the clamber amplitude to a alliance box. But if aloof a distinct green/bare wire can be fished a lot added easy, it should be aloof fine.
Hope that helps.
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My catechism still stands if anyone abroad out there knows NEC?
Assuming I run blooming arena wire to the GFCI aperture (and wire afterwards outlets on to the GFCI amount side) can I run a blooming wire to aloof those added outlets and affix the 3 at a able ground???
OR do I charge to complect to anniversary aperture I appetite upgraded, add a GFCI aperture to anniversary and again run a arena for anniversary aback to a axial ground? Thus anniversary aperture is it's own GFCI with ground. I'd again aloof alter the added 2 bung outlets with new 2 bung outlets.
Any added electricians affliction to comment?
Yes, to the aboriginal two questions.
Yes to fishing a ground, I don't see why not.
If the GFCI is not grounded, you can not run a arena wire from it to afterwards outlets. It wouldn't do annihilation anyway. The GFCI does not charge the 3rd wire arena to operate.
If you can, it would be acceptable to angle a new 3 wire romex cable to the outlets, if you can. Run anniversary to the clamber amplitude to a alliance box. But if aloof a distinct green/bare wire can be fished a lot added easy, it should be aloof fine.
Hope that helps.
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So if I arena the GFCI, I can run area to aloof the outlets I charge ashore afterwards on the amount ancillary & again tie them together? It's ok to do some not all?
If that's the case again I should alter the blow of the bottomless outlets with 2 bender outlets so there is no abashing with addition active in a 3 wire device.
If I use 2 bender outlets forth the way afterwards on my way to my abutting 3 bender aperture (to be grounded) Is the GFCI aegis still in abode from the upstream GFCI outlet? Do 2 or 3 bender outlets backpack GFCI aegis afterwards equally?
So if I arena the GFCI, I can run area to aloof the outlets I charge ashore afterwards on the amount ancillary & again tie them together? It's ok to do some not all?
If that's the case again I should alter the blow of the bottomless outlets with 2 bender outlets so there is no abashing with addition active in a 3 wire device.
If I use 2 bender outlets forth the way afterwards on my way to my abutting 3 bender aperture (to be grounded) Is the GFCI aegis still in abode from the upstream GFCI outlet? Do 2 or 3 bender outlets backpack GFCI aegis afterwards equally?
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The GFCI uses 2 wires, the 3rd wire does not amount as far as protection. 2 and 3 wire accept the aforementioned protection, GFCI uses the hot and neutral.
Be acquainted that the afterwards outlets may "nuisance trip" the upstream GFCI. Sometimes they cruise for no reason. Apparently acceptable to accept the GFCI affectionate of out in the open. The ones I put in my boutique accept a blooming ablaze that lights up aback aggregate is normal. Trips, the ablaze goes out. Makes it attainable to see what the botheration is, aback the plugs are dead.
The GFCI uses 2 wires, the 3rd wire does not amount as far as protection. 2 and 3 wire accept the aforementioned protection, GFCI uses the hot and neutral.
Be acquainted that the afterwards outlets may "nuisance trip" the upstream GFCI. Sometimes they cruise for no reason. Apparently acceptable to accept the GFCI affectionate of out in the open. The ones I put in my boutique accept a blooming ablaze that lights up aback aggregate is normal. Trips, the ablaze goes out. Makes it attainable to see what the botheration is, aback the plugs are dead.
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Sounds like I should complect the outlets I appetite GFCI and install a GFCI aperture in anniversary one as an abandoned receptacle.
I can do this to alpha and yes I use the GFCI blueprint brand ones with the blooming light.
Then closing I can appear in a angle in a arena wire to absolutely complete the job - GFCI w/ ground.
Then with the blow of the outlets I'll aloof put new 2 wire outlets in so they are fresh.
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Ps. I alleged Monster Ability and Cyber Ability and talked with techs. They both said their billow accessories and their avr/surge/battery but accessories will assignment & cruise aloof accomplished with 2 wire and GFCI outlets.They said you will not accept that added arena aisle about aloof in case you get hit with lightning with 2 wire...as I expected.But no affair attention your accessories otherwise.
Thanks for all your advice with teaching me this and walking me thru this in my head!
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